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With a racing age of 46 how discouraging it will be to race with guys 11 years younger. Clearly racing against those guys will make me a stronger rider. But here is the real world issue. With age comes a significant drop in fitness. What happens when I am 49 and racing against a 35 year old cat 1. 5 laps into the race I will be finding a secure place to bail out, to save face over the humiliation of getting my teeth kicked in. I don't train to complete in a race to last for a couple laps, get pulled, then drive 1 1/2 hours to get home. It certainly will discourage me from even entering the race in the beginning. If other older racers feel the same and don't enter because we can't compete, well where does that leave us. So I tell you where it leaves me, racing at a age of 46 against Cat 3 & 4 20 year olds. To be competitive, looks like I will be racing in PA with the 40+ masters

I was cool with the idea of Masters 5-year categories, starting at 35, but grouping them all together like that? Great idea. That SEVERELY puts a limit on the opportunities that the average bicycle racer in our area (30-49 years old, Cat 3/4~ish) can race in, let alone makes the top 10 in any masters race an affair of rearranging the exact same names over and over again.

What I don't understand is the general lack of ingenuity at races. Why don't we stop racing the same damn people for the same damn results at the same damn commercial park? I'm all for replicating the same Masters groupings that USA Cycling does, but that doesn't mean we can't have 30+ and 40+ races anyway, just for the heck of it. My favorite race of the year was BikeJam, because it was a Cat2 (and cat 2 only!) race...it apparently doesn't count for squat, but I don't care, I can go make the All-Star team for the Alexandria Wreck-Reational Drinking League if I'm THAT concerned about local titles.

Now I'm REALLY going to play devil's advocate here, but why are we bitching anyways? After all, we could have to deal with the same limiting fields the Women "get" to have all year!

It sure is nice to have the option of doing multiple races....(says the 20 something who can't do major races because they shut the 2's out...figuring they can just do the 30+ instead. Bastages.)

Good. I feel we have the same problem in the VCA. The Masters races are fast. There are usually a 30+, 40+ and 50+. Each one of those races have 20-30 riders. Then the Cat 1/2 race usually has 15 or less racers. Most of our 1 and 2s are master racers. I feel if they were limited, they would sign up for the 1/2 race. Most promoters put the majority of there money into that race...it should be the biggest race of the day.

I plan on focusing on masters races this year, so the age change is a welcome because I will be one of the youngest masters. Yeahhh! Just kidding.

Remember this only means no 30+ BAR, not the elimination of 30+. Promoters have the option of doing other nonbar events. They could do a nonbar 30+, or a 3/4 30/40+, or add another senior race like a cat 2/3 race. This could also give more chances for people to double up and for promoters to experiment with new categories/classes.

I think there is also a proposal for pa to go to 35+

If you don't want to race with fast cat 3's don't upgrade from a 4.

We will see if this is a good thing.
You have to race against whoever shows up on the day anyway.
If I get blocked from racing because the masters field fills up then this is a bad thing.

As a 46 year-old male racer my opinion is that the notion of age-graded racing is obsolete and nonsensical. A better system for the vast majority of MABRA racers would be one that matched events with membership numbers and that did a better job of sorting racers based on performance to reduce the blatant practice of sandbagging. Promotion of women and junior races need not be affected and perhaps could be improved.

The reason I suggest this is that MABRA membership is mostly recreational (i.e., Cat 3 and below and age 30 or older) and in this context I presume most want a reasonably level playing field. A true Cat 4 racing against a Cat 2, as is the case in Master's races, is not a reasonably level playing field.

Specifically, MABRA male membership (90% of total) is 89.0% Cat 3, 4 and 5 and 77.4% aged 30 or older. Interestingly, the lower male categories are almost equally represented: 25.8% Cat 3; 30.8% Cat 4; and 32.3% Cat 5.

These statistics suggest to me the elimination of age-grading and splitting male 3, 4, and 5 categories into finer gradations with some mechanism to more quickly push riders up who belong in the next higher category.

1- If you don't want to upgrade from Cat 4 you might as well just quit racing.
2 - Shove it Joshua.
3 - There should be no masters racing until 40+. Then people would race their category.
4 - USA Cyclequeen should create a new rule that if you are 40+ you can race up to your category, and down to Cat 3 regardless of your category. That would give the up and comers a chance to race experienced racers. And if you can't get upgrade points against 40+ers you might as well stay a 3 anyway. It would also give the hardcore oldies a little chance for some well earned, yet hard fought gravy. And it would pump up the registration lists.

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